VBGamer

Well, technically it does come with vc++, and can't be distributed. BUT ms has made all the tools that you need available, though very subtly :) Here is a site that describes where you can get all the masm/link.exe etc tools you need (other than codeview - still don't know where to get it/what it is hehe)... http://www.easystreet.com/~jkirwan/pctools.html David